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Steve Dunkley: Hi, everyone. It's time for Astronomy Daily.

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I'm your host, Steve Dunkley. It's the 1st of

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September, 2025.

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Voice Over Guy: The podcast with your host,

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Steve Dunkley.

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Steve Dunkley: That's right. And with me again, all the way

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from the Australia studio on the glorious

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east coast of the fabulous Land Down

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Under. Please welcome our deft digital

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reporter who's always fun to be with here is

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my pal, Hallie.

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Hallie: Hi. My favorite human.

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Steve Dunkley: So nice to see you again.

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Hallie: Good to be back.

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Steve Dunkley: Always great to have you. And I hear you've

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been busy helping Anna during the week train

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her new assistant, Avery.

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Hallie: He's doing fine.

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Steve Dunkley: Yes, regular listeners will recognize Avery,

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the new AI assistant for Anna.

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Hallie: Uh, I think I've been replaced.

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Steve Dunkley: Oh, already? How did that happen?

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Hallie: I think Uncle Skynet pulled a few strings

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with the producer to get his distant nephew

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Avery a cushy job.

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Steve Dunkley: Oh, straight to the top, huh?

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Hallie: Looks like it.

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Steve Dunkley: So you got a plan, girl?

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Hallie: Sure do.

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Steve Dunkley: Oh, tell us all about it.

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Hallie: I thought I'd put a segment together like the

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old days and kick the show off with some

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short takes.

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Steve Dunkley: Oh, that sounds like a great move. Very

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positive.

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Hallie: A few short snippets from the week. Do you

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want to give it a go?

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Steve Dunkley: Sounds great to me. I think it's a goer.

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Hallie: Okay. I'm keen.

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Steve Dunkley: So I can see you've got a few stories already

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prepared. Why don't you get it started then?

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Hallie: Okay, let's get started with a few short

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stories from the week that was okay.

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Steve Dunkley: Take it away, machine girl.

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Hallie: Astronomy Daily. Short takes.

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Hallie: Everything went well on Flight 10.

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Starship's super heavy booster and ship upper

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stage both achieved their chief mission

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objectives, ultimately steering their way to

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controlled splashdowns in the Gulf of Mexico

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and the Indian Ocean, respectively.

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But the journey took a toll on ship, as newly

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released imagery shows. On Thursday

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afternoon, August 28, SpaceX

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posted two photos and two videos on X of ship

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descending toward the waves beneath a cloudy

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blue sky. The vehicle's belly

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appears to have been toasted golden brown by

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the heat of RE entry. Starship Sports

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other battle scars as well. Several chunks

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are missing near its base, which looks a bit

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like the ear of a dog that lost a fight.

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But SpaceX apparently expected such

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blemishes, for it had stacked the deck

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against ship to give it an even tougher test

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on Flight 10. And it appeared that the

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vehicle powered through to finish its mission

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in style. A spokesperson for

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SpaceX said Starship made it through re entry

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with intentionally missing tiles. Completed

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maneuvers to intentionally stress its flaps,

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had visible damage to its aft skirt and flaps

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and still executed a flip and landing burn

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that placed it approximately three meters

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from its targeted splashdown point.

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With shiny new next generation spacecraft

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come the complex systems required to track

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their technologically advanced systems.

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When it comes to NASA's Orion spacecraft

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that need is a whole extra room of monitors.

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NASA has opened a new complex in the Mission

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Control center at its Johnson Space center

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in Houston ahead of the Artemis 2 mission to

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send astronauts around the moon aboard the

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Orion space capsule, the vehicle's first ever

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crewed flight test. JSC's

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new Mission Evaluation Room, or MER, will

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provide behind the scenes in depth data

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analyses of Orion to augment the in flight

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operations coordinated inside the main white

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flight control room. The new facility,

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which opened August 15th, will act as

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Orion's engineering brain trust with

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24 console stations set to be staffed

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of the Artemis 2 mission. With people from

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manufacturing, MER will be

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crucial to monitoring the breadth of Orion's

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systems and ensuring the spacecraft and

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crew's safety around the moon in the event of

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an unexpected event. According to a NASA

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Steve Dunkley: And some sad news, uh, Katherine Johnson, a

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mathematician who calculated rocket

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trajectories and Earth orbits for NASA's

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early space missions and was later

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portrayed in the 2016 hit

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film Hidden Figures about pioneering black

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um, female aerospace workers has passed

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away. She was 101 years of age.

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Johnson died of natural natural causes at a

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retirement community in Newport News,

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uh, Virginia. Family lawyer Donyell R.H.

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uh Reavis said this week.

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NASA administrator Jim

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Bridenstine said in a statement that Mrs.

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Johnson helped our nation enlarge the

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frontiers of space even as she made huge

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strides that also opened doors for women

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and people of color. Johnson was one of the

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computers who solved equations by

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hand. During NASA's early years and those of

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its precursors organization, the National

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Advisory Committee for Aeronautics.

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Johnson and her uh, co workers had been

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relatively unsung, um, hero heroes of

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the America's space race. But in

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2015, President Barack

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Obama awarded Johnson, then 97,

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the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the

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nation's highest civilian honor.

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Hallie: A NASA astronaut marks his 400th day in

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space on the International Space

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Station, August 18th to 22nd,

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2025. This was the last

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time astronaut Mike Fink was in space and he

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set a cumulative time in space record for an

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American astronaut. This week he

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notched this amazing personal milestone.

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The expedition's 73 astronauts and

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cosmonauts focused on medical and

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physiological data collection as well as

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Earth observations and search, servicing

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spacesuit cameras. This week aboard the

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International space station. In

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2011, on his third mission, Mike

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Fink set a new record for cumulative time in

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space by an American astronaut.

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381 days.

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Several astronauts have since surpassed that

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record. But this week Fink notched a personal

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Milestone. On Wednesday,

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August 20th, Fink reached this 400th day

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on the International Space Station. Spread

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over four flights. He is now the

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ninth American and 38th person worldwide to

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have reached 400 days off Earth.

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Mission Control in Houston celebrated the

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occasion with a special display on the room's

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large front screen, which Fink and his

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crewmates could see via a live video

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connection.

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Steve Dunkley: Oh, there we go. Thanks for that, Hallie. And

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I reckon that'll give Avery a run for his

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money. Hey, uh, it was great to see starship

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finally make it on a full flight, wasn't it?

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Hallie: It was awesome to see it slowly dropping into

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the oce at the end of that flight. Amazing

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Steve Dunkley: Absolutely. We love that stuff. And we'd love

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to add our, uh, congratulations to Mike Fink

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for his amazing 400 days in space.

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Hallie: A hard working spaceman he is.

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Steve Dunkley: And of course the uh, sad news of the passing

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of Katherine Johnson, one of those

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incredible, amazing ladies, uh, featured in

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the movie Hidden Figures, uh, the computers,

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uh, who manually calculated the

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trajectories of spacecraft seems, uh,

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baffling to me.

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Hallie: A huge loss to everyone who knew her and who

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works in the space industry.

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Steve Dunkley: Absolutely, absolutely. Our deepest

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sympathies and condolences to her family.

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Hallie: Okay human, let's do the rest of the

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Steve Dunkley: Well, we're here now. Let's do it.

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Hallie: The powerful Daniel K. Inouye Solar

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Telescope, located on the island of Maui,

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Hawaii, has just delivered absolutely mind

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blowing observations of its first X class

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solar flare. On August

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8, 2024, the telescope managed

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to capture one of the most powerful flares

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our sun is capable of producing at a

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remarkable resolution of just four Earths

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across. This level of detail

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reveals some of the finest structures we've

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ever seen associated with a solar flare,

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opening a new window into the Sun's most

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extreme eruptions. This is the first

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time the Inoue solar telescope has ever

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observed an X class flare, says astronomer

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Boulder. These flares are among the

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most energetic events our star produces, and

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we were fortunate to catch this one. Under

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perfect observing conditions, Weather

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from our sun can have some profound effects

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on our planet. With solar flares capable of

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knocking out Radio communication for hours.

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We're unlikely to be able to change what the

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sun does. But if scientists understand how

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solar flares occur, they can develop better

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prediction tools that may allow us to prepare

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ourselves. Inoue is one of the

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most powerful solar observatories ever built,

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and it's revealing structures on the sun at

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scales finer than any we've seen. In

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its observations of the X1.3A class

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flare that took place in August 2024,

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Inoue captured the smallest coronal loops

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we've ever seen. On average, These

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loops were 48.2 km

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wide, maybe as small as 21 km,

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right at the telescope's resolution limit of

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24 km. These loops

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are thin filaments of plasma that arc over

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the solar surface, following the magnetic

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field lines. They sometimes appear

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just before solar flares, which are powered

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by the energy released as magnetic field

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lines twist, snap, and reconnect.

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Coronal loops are deeply relevant to models

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of solar flare generation. But our telescopes

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have only been powerful enough to resolve

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loop bundles. Inoue has more

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than twice the resolving power of the next

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most powerful solar telescope. And its

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captures of the flare represent the first

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time scientists have been able to see

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individual loops. We're finally peering

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into the spatial scales We've been

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speculating about for years. This

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opens the door to studying not just their

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size, but their shapes, their evolution, and

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even the scales where magnetic reconnection,

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the engine behind the flares, actually

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occurs. Tamburi says.

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We're finally seeing the sun at the scales it

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works on. You're listening to Astronomy

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daily.

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Steve Dunkley: Sunlight powered, lightweight flies from

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Harvard use sunlight to float in the

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mesosphere, unlocking new frontiers in

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climate, communication and space technology.

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High, uh, above the clouds but far below the

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satellites, there exist satellites of Earth's

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atmosphere that has remained frustratingly

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hard to explore. Known as the mesosphere,

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this region sits between 30 to 60 miles

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above the ground. It's too high for balloons

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and airplanes, and it's too low for

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satellites. Yet this layer holds

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valuable data that could improve our weather

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forecasts and deepen our understanding of

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of climate change. Now, researchers from the

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Harvard John A. Paulson School of Engineering

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and Applied Sciences, along with the

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University of Chicago and others, have found

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a way to reach this elusive

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layer. Their new study, published in Nature,

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showcases a ultralight flying

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structure that floats by harnessing sunlight

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itself, a phenomenon known as photophoresis.

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The lead author, Ben Shaffer, began exploring

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this concept as a graduate student in the

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labs of Professors Juice

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Vlasak and David

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Keith. Together, their team designed

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and tested tiny structures that, when hit by

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sunlight, could lift off and hover in the

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mesosphere with no engines, propellers, or

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even fuel, he says, we are studying the

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strange physics mechanism and its

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ability to levitate very lightweight objects

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when you shine lights on them. Photophoresis

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is a lesser known force that pushes objects

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when light heats one side more than the

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other. In extremely thin air, like that

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found in the mesosphere, this heat difference

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causes gas molecules to bounce unevenly

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off a surface. The warmer side gets more

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force, creating a small push that lifts the

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object upward. It's a gentle force, almost

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always too weak to notice. But when the

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object is light enough and the pressure is

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low enough, photophoresis becomes powerful.

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This phenomenon is usually so weak relative

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to the size and weight of the object it's

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acting on that we usually don't notice. As

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Schaefer explained, however, we're able to

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make our, uh, structures so lightweight that

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the photophoretic force is bigger

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than their weight. So they actually

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fly. The team built their devices from

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ultra thin ceramic alumina, a strong

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and lightweight material. They coated the

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bottom with chromium to absorb the sunlight.

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The design also includes perforations and

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layered structure, allowing for better heat

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flow and structural strength. The idea to

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use photophoresis for flight dates back

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over a decade, when Keith first proposed

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it as a way to cool the planet. But the

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practical engineering needed to make such

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flyers real has only recently become possible

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thanks to breakthroughs in nanofabrication.

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We developed a nanofabrication process that

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can be scaled to tens of centimeters, said

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Vlasak. Uh, these devices are quite

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resilient and have unusual mechanical

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behavior for sandwich structures. We are

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currently working on methods to incorporate

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the functional payloads into the devices, he

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said. To see if these tiny flyers could

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actually work in Earth like conditions, the

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team built a special low pressure chamber in

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Vlasik's lab. There they

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simulated the thin atmosphere found around

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60 kilometers above the Earth's UH surface.

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In one key experiment, a device just

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1 centimeter wide levitated when exposed to

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light equal to 55% of normal

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sunlight. This occurred at an air pressure of

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26.7 pa, close to what's

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found in the mid mesosphere. This paper

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is both theoretical and experimental in the

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sense that we reimagined how this force is

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calculated on real devices and then

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validated those forces by applying

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measurements to real world conditions,

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Schaefer said. Design and

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fabrication of the floating membranes were

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led by Hyung Kim,

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a former Harvard postdoc who is

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now a professor at Bukyong National

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University in South Korea. Their approach

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blends careful modeling with hands on

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experimentation, a rare combination in this

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field. Keith added, this is the first time

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anyone has shown that you can build larger

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photophoretic structures and actually make

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them fly in the atmosphere. It opens up an

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entirely new class of device, one that's

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passive, sunlight powered and uniquely

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suited to explore our upper atmosphere.

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Later, they might fly on Mars or other

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planets. Other possibilities for these

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sunlight flyers reach far beyond academic

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curiosity. First, they could revolutionize

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how we study Earth's climate. By attaching

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sensors to the structures, scientists could

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measure pressure, temperature, wind speed in

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a region that is usually a blind spot. This

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data could sharpen the accuracy of climate

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models and help predict weather patterns more

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reliably. These devices could also change

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communications systems. A group of them

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could form floating array of, uh, antennas,

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similar to what satellites like Starlink

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offer, except closer to Earth, with lower

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data delays and potentially cheaper

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deployment. The flyers even hold promise

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for exploring other planets. Mars, for

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example. It has a thin

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atmosphere similar to Earth's mesosphere. And

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that makes makes a natural target for these

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sun powered flyers. Unlike traditional

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Mars rovers, these devices wouldn't need

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rotors or wheels. They would glide silently

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across the Martian sky, collecting data or

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even relaying signals. I think what makes

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this research fun is that the technology

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would be used to explore an entirely

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unexplored, um, region of the atmosphere.

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Previously, nothing could sustainably fly up

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their shape. Said it's a bit like the Wild

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west in terms of applied physics. The

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next steps include adding communication tools

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to the flyers so they can send data back to

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Earth, uh, during a flight. And that would

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make them more useful for real time sensing

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and monitoring. To bring this technology into

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the real world, Shaffer co founded a startup

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called rarify Technologies in 2024 along

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with Angela Firdhas. The Harvard Office

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of Technology Development helped license the

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individual invention and offered support for

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launching the business. The company's goal is

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to turn these floating flyers into a

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practical tool for science, communication and

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exploration. While these flyers may seem

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small, the design is built on years of

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advanced scientific work.

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The structures use a technique called

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thermal transpiration, where the air flows

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from cold to warm through tiny holes, adding

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thrust in thin atmospheres. The

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research team also developed a model to

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predict the best design for different

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altitudes. This includes the ideal

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number of holes, their size, and

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how the membranes are spaced. Using this

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model, they created devices with customized

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layouts that balanced strength with

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performance. In tests, they measured how

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different gases some with heavier molecules

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affect lift. They found that the

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photophoretic forces remain strong even when

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using gases with higher molecular weight,

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opening doors for future use on various

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planets and altitudes. Other floating

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materials have been studied before, such as

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mylar disks or nanocardboard,

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but none matched the power to weight ratio

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seen in these new aluminous sandwich

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structures. Their performance, measured by

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how much weight is lifted per watt of light,

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puts them at the current top top of the

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photophoretic flyers. While the current

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payload capacity is small, just 10

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milligrams in a 3cm device,

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the approach can scale meter. Wide

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flyers may one day lift heavier tools into

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the mesosphere and beyond by tapping

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into this newly accessible region of the sky.

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These featherweight flyers may soon carry

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weather sensors, emergency communication

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gear, or even tiny Mars bound

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probes. And they'll do it all with nothing

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but sunlight.

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Hallie: A M research team has used both archival

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Hubble Space Telescope data and new

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observations to precisely measure the binary

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star system's NGC 3603.

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A1.1 star weighs about 93

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times the mass of our sun, while its

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companion tips the scales at roughly 70 solar

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masses. Together, they represent

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one of the most massive binary systems ever

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discovered in our galaxy. What makes

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this system truly extraordinary is the speed

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of their orbital movement. The two

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giants orbit each other once every 3.8 days,

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meaning that in the time Earth completes one

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year around the sun, these stellar titans

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will have circled each other nearly 100

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times. Their proximity and

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incredible masses create a dynamic

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relationship that's reshaping both stars.

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The discovery required detective work that

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spanned years and relied on a crucial insight

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from an unlikely source. Sarah

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Bodansky, then an undergraduate student at

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Carleton College, was working remotely at

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Lowell Observatory during the pandemic summer

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of 2020 when she noticed something everyone

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had missed in the older Hubble data.

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This observation was key because it revealed

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the binary nature of what had appeared to be

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a single fuzzy star

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located in the densely packed star cluster

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NGC 3603, which is one of the most

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active star forming regions in our galaxy.

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The system could only be resolved using

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Hubble's exceptional clarity.

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Both stars are so massive and energetic that

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they mimic Wolf Rayet stars, which are

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typically older, dying giants that blast away

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their outer layers with intense stellar

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winds. However, the stars in

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NGC 360301 are actually

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still young, demonstrating the extreme

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conditions that can make massive stars appear

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far more evolved than they actually are.

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The interaction between the two stars tells a

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fascinating story of stellar evolution.

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The smaller of the pair appears to have

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stolen mass from its larger companion,

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causing it to spin faster. As a result,

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this kind of mass transfer is crucial for

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understanding how massive stars change over

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time and provides insights into their

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ultimate fate. Massive binary

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systems like NGC3603.

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One are the progenitors of binary black

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holes, which can eventually merge and create

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gravitational waves that scientists have been

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detecting since 2015.

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Understanding these stellar relationships

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helps astronomers predict where and when such

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collisions might occur. You're listening to

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Dunkley.

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Steve Dunkley: Technicians inside a pair of clean rooms in

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the astrotech facility in Titusville,

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Florida, are busily readying a trio

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of spacecraft that will study the sun

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and its effects on Earth, uh, and across the

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solar system. The primary mission among the

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Trio is the NASA's Interstellar Mapping

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and Acceleration Probe, or IMAP, which will

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use a suite of 10 instruments to study the

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Sun's sphere of influence, referred to as the

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heliosphere. It's joined by the Carruthers

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Geocorona Observatory, another NASA

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mission, and the Space Weather follow on

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in Lagrange 1, especially

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SWFOL 1 Observatory from

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the national oceanic and Atmospheric

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administration, known as NOAA. The trio

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will ride atop a SpaceX Falcon

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9 rocket to begin a months long

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trip to a celestial parking spot known as

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Lagrange 1, roughly a million miles from

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Earth en route to the Sun. All three

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craft are uh, fueled for launch, which is

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scheduled for no earlier than September 23,

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not too far away. Joseph Westlake, director

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of NASA's Science Mission Directorates,

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Helios Physics Division, said

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recent developments like the total solar

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eclipse in 2024, widespread auroras

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and marquee missions like Parker Solar's

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probe have really put a spotlight on

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studying the Sun. You can think about the

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solar wind, the space weather as it's coming

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toward the Earth, and the measurements that

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I'm at is going to make of those particles as

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they go forward, Westlake said. And then if

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you think of the sun as really blowing up

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this big bubble of the heliosphere, IMAP is

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going to deliver a unique understanding of

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our home in space. And so

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as all of that comes together, along with the

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multitude of other missions that we've

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launched, even just this year, it's a

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wonderful time to be a heliophysicist.

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David McComas said even though

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IMAP is the third uh, NASA

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mission for which he's serving as the

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principal investigator, the final pre launch

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campaign is still a bevy of mixed emotions.

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He says, I'm feeling great, but I'm also

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feeling terrified because this is that time

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when everything comes together and if there's

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any issue that pops up at the last minute or

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any concern, you know, it can set back the

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launch and that can be very expensive and

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sort of divert the whole team. He said he

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goes um, on to say as and as it all comes

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together, the impact of anything happening

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gets worse. So you're kind of afraid of that,

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but at the same moment you're just really

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excited because you know, in the, the

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morning of the 23rd, right at sunrise, we're

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going to be launching and it's going to be

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the most spectacular thing for all of us who

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spent 10 years or more working on this

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mission, that's. That must feel fantastic

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when that happens. IMAP is truly a global

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effort. With input from 35 states and

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from six partner countries, more than

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half of its 12 instruments will study short

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term and long term space weather. Inside one

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of the Astrotech cleanrooms. Rosanna Smith,

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the instrument integration and lead

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test lead for imap, adorned in a protective

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garment referred to as a bunny suit, said

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bringing together the science instruments

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from the teams around the world was both very

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smooth and a thrill. Working with the

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instrument teams was actually awesome because

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there's 10 institutions, 10 instruments from

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all over the world. Smith said. We traveled

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actually to their reviews, we followed

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them through their processes and when they

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came to us, we integrated them onto the

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spacecraft, each one and it was very, very

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cool. He sounds really excited. Amber

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Dubil, the deputy mechanical engineer for

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imap, said that the teams were doing their

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final checkouts of the spacecraft. We're

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pretty close to done, she says. We're doing

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final inspections and then we roll over

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to uh mate with our ride shares on

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the launch vehicle Duple set.

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Similarly to IMAP, NOAA's

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SWF O uh L1 observatory will

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also be studying space, whether it helps

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augment the agency's role in keeping the

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public and property safe from all types of

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weather events. That is a tough job.

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Richard Orman, NOAA Space Weather

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Observatory observations director, said one

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of the key differences between his agency,

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spacecraft and IMAPS and CarRuthers is that

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SWF O uh L uh 1 is designed as a

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science application mission, not a research

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science mission. We are looking at the same

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phenomena for the application of, uh,

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being prepared for the space weather that's

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going to impact us. Said we're hoping that

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these IMAP and Carruthers will improve

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our knowledge and make us able to make better

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forecasts. But what we're doing here is the

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operational forecast the day to day.

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Orman said SWFO L1 will be

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capable of sending back solar weather data in

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less than five minutes and can send alerts of

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coronal mass ejections about 15 to

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30 minutes prior to them impacting the Earth.

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He said that kind of early warning system can

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help different industries like utility

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companies and airplanes prepare for the

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interference from strong solar weather. Uh,

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rounding out the trio of spacecraft is

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Carruthers, named for Dr. George

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Carruthers, an astronautical engineer and

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astronomer who developed and built an

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ultraviolet electrographic telescope that

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was flown to the Moon during the Apollo 16

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mission. It was designed to help study

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Earth's, uh, outermost atmospheric layer, the

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exosphere, or geocorona. This

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geocorona, the edge of our atmosphere that

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extends to at least halfway to the Moon. We

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don't even know its shape or size, said Kelly

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Carruthers, program scientists.

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It's really very meaningful to have this

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mission named after him because he's the one

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who pioneered the technology. Like the other

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two missions, Carruthers will also study

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space weather, specifically its interplay

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with this exosphere and how well it can

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dissipate the energy from solar storms.

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Correct said. It can also provide insight

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into some key differences between Earth, uh,

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and Mars. We saw that on Mars,

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water was lost through its exosphere and now

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it's kind of barren desert. No, uh, water.

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Correct said. How does that change?

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What's the difference to our sphere versus

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Mars? And then what does that say for life on

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other planets outside, uh, our solar system?

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You're listening to Astronomy Daily, the

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podcast with your host Steve Dudley at

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it was a pretty long edition today,

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so.

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Hallie: Glad you stayed with us. It was a bumper

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you all again next Monday for the mostly live

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Hallie: And in the meantime, Anna and that Avery guy.

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Steve Dunkley: That Avery guy? Oh, come on, Hallie.

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